Johan Alfred CARLSON

Other Events and Attributes:

• MN Death Cert Checked: Y
• Minnesota Death Certificate: 1952-MN-021101
• Occupation: Tailor, Real estate speculator
• Confirmation: 1886, Kånna, Småland, Kronobergs län, Sweden

Notes:

Seems to be child #5 according to his birth record, which is incorrect, at least for Salomon’s children. However, Ida Mathilda also seems to be shown as child #5 which is correct.

According to the Kånna Household Exam, Al left for the U. S. on 25 February 1890, having first left Berghem Westregard -- where he had remained since his mother and siblings emigrated in May of 1881 -- for Kalinstad in September of 1889. A notation in the 1882-1891 Kånna Household Exam (p. 30), in which he and Oscar are listed as Salomonssen, indicates for both men “mother widow Emeli Lundberg in America.”

A Johan Alfred Carlsson departed Malmö, destination Boston, on 2 Oct 1890. His place of origin in Sweden was Urshult, Kronobergs län.

Alfred supposedly took the middle initial Z to distinguish himself in the telephone directory. At least through the 1925 Minneapolis City Directory, Al never was listed with a middle initial. However, from the 1932 city directory on, he did use the Z. The notice of his application for a marriage license (to Meta) in the 30 Apr 1933 edition of the Star listed him as Alfred Z. Carlson.

According to Cora: “Al's mother left him in Sweden at age 3, apprenticed to a tailor, when she emigrated with Fogelquist. Al learned his future trade sitting cross-legged on a table. He emigrated to the US in 1886 at the age of 14. He stayed with a cousin for a year in New York City before taking the train to Winona or Hastings and then walking to Cannon Falls where his mother lived.”

Al became a citizen before 1916 (when Cora came into the family); he had to send back to Sweden for his birth certificate.

According to Cora: “Al was about 5' 8" or 5' 9" tall. He got in fist fights and won. He didn't drink or smoke. He liked clothes and dancing, so much so that he went to dances with other women. Al was an extreme male chauvinist. He didn't believe that women should eat with the family. He didn't believe that a husband needed to clothe his wife. He didn't believe that a husband needed to stay with his wife.

“Al mostly was a real-estate speculator, buying and selling property, but eventually went back to tailoring. He bought an apartment across from Honeywell on 28th (street?). In about 1917, Al bought 10 acres with a big house on the east side of Highway 100 at 63rd Street near the country club. (Maurice didn't buy there because the water was too far down.)” [When Cora related this in the 1970's, she said that now there is probably another row of houses between Hwy 100 and the old house.] [The construction of the Crosstown Highway, Hwy 62, would have obliterated Al’s old place if Cora was correct about the location. It’s exactly at the modern-day intersection of the Crosstown and Normandale Road.]

Bess and Al had trouble getting to Maurice and Cora's wedding and had to ask directions from a farmer on how to get to La Crosse. They also had trouble negotiating a hill with their car and their radiator overheated. Al complained that Maurice should have married a girl from Minneapolis.

Cora remembers that Al especially liked Vivian.

In the 1895 (July 12th) Minnesota state census, Al (as “J.A.”), 23, and Bessie, 17, were living in Wabasha where Al was a tailor. They had been living in Wabasha for 2 months. Al claimed to have been in the state of Minnesota for 6 months but that may mean 6 years.

At the time of the 1900 census (June 9th), Alfred, 28, Bessie, 22, and Morris E., 4, were living on 28th and Riverside (perhaps #2824) in Minneapolis. Al and Bess had been married for 5 years. Bess had had one child, still living. Al’s occupation is “tailor.” Living with them, as a boarder, was an 18 (born December 1881) year old girl named Annie, born in Sweden, whose occupation is shown as servant. The census-taker did not enter a last name for her, implying that it was also Carlson. Al is shown as having emigrated in 1890, Bess in 1883. They are renting the house that they live in.

In the 1905 Minnesota state census, the family is living at 520 17th Avenue S. in Minneapolis. They had lived there for 6 months. Al had been in the state for 15 years, Bess for 20. The household consisted of Al, 33, Bessy, 27, Morris, 10, and Mamie Smith, 13. Al was a tailor.

At the time of the 1910 census (April 27th), Alfred, 38, Bessie, 32, and Morris, 14, were living at 38th and Chicago in a duplex that Al and Bess owned. (The tenants were a family named Jenson.) Al is a tailor of or in an outfitting establishment. Al emigrated in 1883 (?) and Bessie in 1884.

The 1914 Minneapolis plat map shows two buildings, with a common wall, on the lot that must have been 3805 Chicago Ave. The southeast corner of 38th and Chicago was the northwest corner of a four block subdivision (bounded by 11th Avenue, Chicago Avenue, 38th Street, and 40th Street, known as Chicago Avenue Park.

On January 5, 1920, the census enumerator found the Carlsons living at 3716 Elliot Avenue South. (Minneapolis enumeration district 127, image 5 of 36.) Al and Bess are living with Morris and Cora as Alfred, age 47, and Bessie, age 42. The dates of immigration and naturalization for Alfred and Bessie are listed but are not legible. Alfred is listed as a tailor employed for wages at a tailor shop.

At the time of the 1930 census, Al was living with Sandy, 48, and Clara, 38 (who, apparently, weren't married) at 3901 13th Avenue in a house worth $4500. Thus, Al and Bess were divorced by the time of the census. Al has no occupation listed. Al was a naturalized citizen; he emigrated in 1887. Al is shown as widowed. (?) Al was first married at age 23.

The following is from the Minneapolis city directories:

In the 1892-1893 directory, there is an Oscar Carlson, laborer, living at 1323 s 2d and an Alfred Carlson, laborer, living at 1311 s 2d.

In 1896, Alfred is a tailor for Isaac Kurtzman and was living at 435 27th Avenue South in Minneapolis. In the 1897 Minneapolis directory, he is probably the Alfred Carlson living at 2301 Riverside Avenue. In the 1898 directory, Alfred, tailor, is living in the rear of 1417 South 3rd Avenue. This is the address of Daniel Erickson for the two years previous so apparently Al and Bess moved into the Erickson apartment after Daniel and his family moved to the farm in Anoka County.

In 1899, there is no Alfred listed in the directory but there is the cryptic entry for Alfred Carlson: “moved to West Superior, Wisconsin.” By 1900, Al and Bess are shown at 2824 Riverside as the 1900 census entry also indicates. In 1901, Alfred, tailor, is shown to be living at 514 15th Avenue South. In the 1902, 1903, and 1904 directories, there are no entries for our Alfred. In the 1903, 1904, and 1905 directories, there is apparently another Alfred Carlson, tailor, this one living in North Minneapolis and working for F E Tallant.

Our Alfred shows up again in the 1905 directory at 520 17th Avenue South. He remains at that address in the 1906 directory. In the 1907 directory, Alfred has opened a tailor shop at 823 Cedar Avenue although he resides at 2120 Riverside Avenue. In the 1908 directory, the only Alfred, tailor, is at 1106 24th Avenue North so that is probably the other Alfred.

By 1909, our Alfred lives at 3115 Stevens Avenue South and has a tailor shop in the “55 Eastman Block.” In the 1910 directory, consistent with the 1910 census entry, Alfred has a business at 3805 Chicago although he apparently lives at 3113 Stevens. (That part does not agree with the census entry.)

In the 1911 directory, Alfred is shown as working as a tailor for Webster Tallant and still resides at 3805 Chicago. The 1912 directory does not mention the Webster Tallant affiliation. In 1913, Alfred has a tailor shop at 3411 Chicago although he still resides at 3805 Chicago.

In 1914, consistent with Cora’s writings, Al now has a hardware store at the 3805 Chicago location and also resides there. Alfred is back to tailoring in 1915 and still lives at 3805 Chicago.

In the 1916, 1917, and 1918, Alfred is still tailoring but in these three years goes by the name of Albert instead of Alfred. This may simply be a mistake on the part of the person preparing the directory. It may be an attempt by Alfred to distinguish himself from the other Alfred Carlson, tailor. Or it may even be a reaction to the German phobia during the war years: perhaps Albert sounded less Germanic than Alfred. Alfred’s address in 1916 and 1917 remains at 3805 Chicago but by the 1918 directory he is at 3720 Elliot Avenue. (There is an Albert, tailor, living at 3720 Elliot and an Alfred, no occupation, living at 3716 Elliot.)

The modern-day 3716 Elliott Avenue South is the correct building. In 1914, this was lot 5, with a house already on it, of the 3700 block of Elliott. This was part of the Chicago Avenue and Lyndale Addition subdivision bounded by 37th Street, 38th Street, Chicago Avenue, and the alley between 10th and 11th Avenues.

That address has become 3716 Elliot at the time of the 1919 directory. He is still a tailor. By 1920, Al and his son have moved to 1535 E. 39th Street. In 1920, Al is a tailor; in 1921, still at that address, Al’s occupation is listed as electrician. (At that point, he may have joined Maurice in the ill-fated Twin City Chandelier Manufacturing Company.)

Al was the informant for his mother-in-law’s death certificate. At that time, May of 1921, he was living at 4016 11th Avenue S.

In 1922 and 1923, the only entry for Alfred, tailor, resides at 4016 11th Avenue. This would be either next door to, or within a few houses of, Charles Hendrickson and Martha. The 1922 entry shows Alfred working as a tailor for A J Lofgren & Co. The 1923 entry does not show that affiliation. In 1924 and 1925, Alfred, tailor, is living at 4228 Minnehaha Avenue.

In the spring of 1931, Alfred Z Carlson was assessed for a lot he owned (east 24 41-100 feet, lot 7, block 17) in the Camden Oaks Addition to Minneapolis.

DHC’s research of the city directories shows the following for Al:

1926 Al’s occupation is real estate, his residence is 4228 Minnehaha.
1927 Still at 4228 but no occupation.
1928 Still at 4228, tailor.
1929 No entry for him or Bessie.
1930 Resides at 3901 13th Ave. S., no entry for Bessie.
1931 Resides at 4651 15th Ave. S., Bessie at 4228.
1932 “Alfred Z.” resides at 4651 15th Ave. S., Bessie at 4228.
1933 “Alfred Z.” still resides ar 4651 15th, now with a wife Maida (Meta L).
1934 “Alf Z” is a tailor at 4301 Chicago. Wife Meta.
1935 “Alfred Z.” is still at 4301 Chicago. Bessie is shown at 4230 Minnehaha.
1936 “Alfred Z.” is still at 4301 Chicago. Bessie is shown at 4228 Minnehaha.
1937 “Alfred Z.” is still at 4301 Chicago. Bessie is shown at 4228 Minnehaha as the widow of Alfred.

In the 1940 census, for which the 42 year-old Meta was the informant, Al and Meta live at 4301 Chicago, the same house in which they had lived in 1935. Al had no occupation shown in the main part of the schedule. However, he was one of the two form entries to be asked Supplementary Questions and in that he was shown as having been a tailor in a retail shop. Al had a sixth-grade education, Meta an eighth-grade education. Al did not have a social security number.

In the 1941 and 1942 city directories, Alf Z Carlson, wife Meta L, resides at 4220 12th Ave S.

In 1942, when his nephew Fred Jay Smith registered for the World War II draft, Fred gave Al as the “person who would always know your address.” Fred gave Al’s address as 4212 S. 12th Avenue, Minneapolis.

An article in the 6 Apr 1943 edition of the Minneapolis Star describes a hearing on divorce proceedings filed by Al against Meta. Al is described as a 70 year-old real estate dealer. He and Meta lived at 4220 Twelfth Avenue S. “Both husband and wife charge inhuman treatment. Mrs. Carlson said her husband not only had ordered her to leave the home several times under threat of physical violence but had shown a liking for younger women. ‘He told me plainly he thought a woman over 40 was just too old and that he intended to go out and pick up younger women,’ Mrs. Carlson testified. Carlson said that since the marriage in May, 1933, he had transferred property to his wife and had given her cash because of threats she had made to kill him. ‘It seems like all she was interested in was money,’ Carlson said. ‘A month after we were married she tried to get me to transfer all my real estate to her. One time she told me a fortune teller told her I was going to die shortly. Using that as a plea, she got me to transfer the house to her.’ Al’s niece, Eva Munn, testified at trial that when she and her husband went to taverns with the Carlsons, Carlson did not dance with younger women. The court held Mrs. Munn’s testimony was not material and remarked that if Carlson did dance with younger women, that was to be expected.

He lived at 3406 E 40th in the 1944 city directory, no wife or occupation listed.

In the 1948, 1950, and 1952 city directories, he and Emily reside at 3406 E 40th.

In the 1950 census, he was listed as Alfred Z. Carlson. He and his wife Emily C. lived at 3406 E. 40th Street.

Al had $28,000 when he died, mostly as real estate.

His obituary (June 9th Tribune), as well as his death certificate, listed his address as 3406 E. 40th St. Funeral services were through Barney Anderson & Son. His death certificate, according to Dr. Elvin Englund, says that he died from uremia complicated by arteriosclerotic renal disease and arteriosclerotic heart disease. Al had apparently been in the hospital for about 7 days. (Cora’s diary says that he went into the hospital on Sunday, June 1st.)

His son was the informant for Al’s death certificate. Al had been in the city for 65 years (implying that Maurice believed Al had come to Minneapolis in 1887) and left a widow named Emily. He died of uremia and renal disease.

DHC recalls that Al didn’t like children and that Vivian was the only kid that he liked. According to DHC, in the mid-to-late 1920s, Al and Bess had a farm cottage on Minnetonka Boulevard, the main road between Excelsior and Lake Minnetonka. That cottage was “mostly before” DHC’s time.

Al and Bess also had a cottage on Lake Minnetonka next to Maurice and Cora. DHC believes that Al may have brought his girlfriends out to the Lake Minnetonka cottage.

Birth:
His parents were S Carlsson and E Lundberg of Berghem. They had been married ten years.

Died:
Died in early afternoon according to Cora’s diary. Died at 1:10 PM at Fairview Hospital according to the death certificate.

Buried:
His obit was in the 9 Jun 1952 edition of the Minneapolis Star.

Johan married Brita (Bessie) ERICKSON on 31 Mar 1895 in Nelson, Buffalo County, Wisconsin, and was divorced in Dec 1929 in Hennepin County, Minnesota. Brita (daughter of Daniel ERICKSON and Brita (Betsy) JONSDOTTER (JOHNSON)) was born on 12 Sep 1877 in Rättvik, Dalarnas län, Sweden; died on 22 Feb 1965 in Hopkins, Hennepin County, Minnesota; was buried on 24 Feb 1965 in Sunset Memorial Park, Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Married:
Wisconsin County Marriages on FS. As J.A. Carlson and Bessie Erickson. Parents S. Carlson, Emma Carlson, Daniel Erickson, Bessie Erickson.

Divorced:
as Bessie Carlson from Alfred Carlson, reported in the 18 Dec 1929 editon of the Star

1. Maurice Edward CARLSON was born on 30 Aug 1895 in Wabasha, Wabasha County, Minnesota; died on 17 Jun 1956 in Bloomington, Hennepin County, Minnesota; was buried on 20 Jun 1956 in Sunset Memorial Park, Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota.

Johan married Meta Lenore KORNDER on 5 May 1933 in Hennepin County, Minnesota, and was divorced in Apr 1943 in Hennepin County, Minnesota. Meta (daughter of John Matthew KORNDER and Babetta M KAMLEITER) was born on 30 May 1897 in Bloomington, Hennepin County, Minnesota; died in Jan 1983 in Arapahoe County, Colorado. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Married:
03640435

Divorced:
announced in the 13 Apr 1943 edition of the Minneapolis Star as Meata Carlson from Alfred Z. Carlson

Johan married Emily Cecelia HOLT on 8 Aug 1947 in Hennepin County, Minnesota. Emily was born on 31 May 1896 in Minnesota; died on 19 May 1971 in Yakima County, Washington. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Married:
#532 0073 as Alfred Carlson and Emily Harlan. Married by a Justice of the Peace in Robbinsdale.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Farmer

Notes:

According to Cora, wealthy, may have owned and/or bred race horses. Supposedly killed by a horse, according to Cora.

Other sources say murdered and the villain was never caught. Murdered according to Jan Webb posting. Died in Berghem Andersgard.

According to the Kånna church book’s death record, as translated by Carl Johan: “Died very hurt. The skull cracked, probably during a fight (man to man). Beaten to death." Carl Johan’s additional comments: He died of a skull fracture. It seems that the authorities speculated that he was beaten to death. It also states that the main suspect has escaped.

Cora would have gotten her claim of “killed by a horse” from Al or from Bess or Maurice who heard it from Al. Perhaps Al really didn’t know or else was citing an alternative theory that the family (and his mother) may have preferred. Perhaps “the authorities” reasoned that a Traveller was as likely to have been murdered as to have been killed by a horse.

An alternative birth history for Salomon, according to Terry: 9-16-1839 in Hamneda, Kronoberg Iän, Smaland.

His age at death was “36 years, 3 months, 17 days” according to the death record. (That would put his birth at 6 Sep 1840.) His death record also shows that he was married when he died and that he was a bonden or peasant farmer.

In neither Annerstad nor Hamneda birth records for 1838, 1839, or 1840. There were only two Salomons born in that period in Annerstad. One was born on January 9, 1839, to Jonas Johansson and Brita Andersdotter. The other was born on June 17, 1840, to Pehr Bengstsson and Elin Andersdotter. No one was born in Annerstad on September 6, 1839. A Salomon Carlsson was born in 1839 in Södra Ljunga according to Patrick Johnson. That Salomon was born on March 5 (bapt. March 10) to Carl Andersson and Britta Maja Simonsdatter.

The Household Examination for Annerstad 1844-1851, p. 282 (”135/147, vol. 2”) shows Anna Andersdotter, pige (so unmarried), b. 10 Mar 1814, living with her two illegitimate children: Martha, b. 1 April 1843, and Salomon, b. 16 Sept 1839. The surname for Martha is not legible but it could be Carlson but seems more likely to be something like Christsson. Magdalena (#7261) should also have been listed here but wasn’t. There is no patronym for either child.

He and his family are not in the Annerstad Household Examination for 1872-1876.

Salomon and family moved to Berghem Andersgärd in Kånna on November 7, 1873.

Probably at least a half-brother of Magdalena (#7261).

Birth:
other sources say 16 Sep

Salomon married Emelie/Emmeli Wilhelmina (Emma) LUNDBERG on 13 Jul 1867 in Annerstad, Kronobergs län, Sweden. Emelie/Emmeli (daughter of Johan Mårten (Martin) Persson LUNDBERG and Maja Lisa LIND) was born on 20 Oct 1843 in Rydö, Torup, Småland, Hallands län, Sweden; was christened on 29 Oct 1843 in Torup, Hallands län, Sweden; died on 19 May 1903 in Superior, Douglas County, Wisconsin; was buried on 28 Jun 1939 in Crystal Lake Cemetery, Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Baptism: 29 Oct 1843, Torup, Hallands län, Sweden

Notes:

Emma Wilhelmina in her birth record in the Torup church records.

Terry says: Emma lived near Kånna in Sweden and at one time lived in town there with Salomon. At the time that she emigrated, they had been living at farm Berghem Vastergarden in Kånna Parish, Kronoberg län, Småland, South Sweden. (From the Household Exam records, she had moved the family from Andersgarden to Westregarden in 1879.)

The two women with whom Karl Oskar and Johan Alfred are shown as living with in the 1882-1891 Kånna Household Examination, Ingrid Kajsa Erlandsdatter (b. 1834) and Caroline Erlandsdatter (b. 1844), are also living in the Grönlund apartment in Berghem Westregard in the 1877-1881 Household Examination.

Cora said that Al had told her that Emma was a genteel lady, used to servants. She was supposedly part French and Al was proud of this. It’s unlikely that the servants part is true. The French part certainly isn’t.

From Jan in June of 2005: The info I have is that the Lundberg/ Lind families were what is called "Travellers" - kind of like Gypsies. The Travellers went all over Europe, USA and Canada. They say they are not Gypsies. They moved around a lot, some of them were quite violent. Some arrested for theft and one was listed as beaten to death. Some did own property in Sweden but they were not well treated, maybe because of their violent nature and reputation? If you search on the internet , you will find several websites that tell you about the "Roma people." It seems each country calls them a different name. In Sweden they called them "Travellers."

“Got her moving papers May 16, 1881.”

Emelie Vilhelmina Lundberg, född 1843-10-20 i Rydö, Torup N.
(f,hfl). E1881.. Amerika 188100516-? (?0510).
Adress Torup N ?-18670520,
Annerstad sn Socknens Slut P.359 piga 18670520-1867,
Annerstad sn Annerstad Hulugård 1867-?,
Kånna sn Berghem Andersgård ägare 18731107-1879,
Kånna sn Berghem Västregård lägenheten Grönlund ägare änkan {”widow, owner of apartment in Grönlund”}
1879-18810516, Amerika 18810516-?

Not listed in the in-migration records of Annerstad.

From the Emibas CD:

Post 244730

Lundberg, Emelie Wilhelmina
Ägare (property owner)

b. 10/20/1843 in Torup, Hallands län (Halland)

Emigrated 5/16/1881
from Berghem Westregård, Kånna, Kronobergs län (Småland)
to Nordamerika

Source: Emibas migration file ID: Kånna G 1881 015


Post 244731

Lundberg, Josefina Karolina
Dotter (unmarried woman)

b. 7/11/1865 in Torup, Hallands län (Halland)

Emigrated 5/16/1881
from Berghem Westregård, Kånna, Kronobergs län (Småland)
to Nordamerika

Source: Emibas migration file ID: Kånna G 1881 016

Post 244732

Lundberg, Karl Johan August
Son (unmarried man)

b. 10/20/1867 in Annerstad, Kronobergs län (Småland)

Emigrated 5/16/1881
from Berghem Westregård, Kånna, Kronobergs län (Småland)
to Nordamerika

Source: Emibas migration file ID: Kånna G 1881 017

Post 244733

Lundberg, Hedda Sofia Linnea
Dotter (unmarried woman)

b. 12/9/1876 in Annerstad, Kronobergs län (Småland)

Emigrated 5/16/1881
from Berghem Westregård, Kånna, Kronobergs län (Småland)
to Nordamerika

Source: Emibas migration file ID: Kånna G 1881 018

Frank, 35, “Anna”, 37, Carl, 16, Ida, 14, and Sandy, 4, were in Cannon Falls in the 1885 Minnesota state census.

Emelie and Frank were still in Cannon Falls in 1895 according to entries in the 1895 Minnesota state census. The family consisted of Frank, 43, a tinner born in Sweden; Mrs. F, 42, born in Sweden; Oscar Fogelquist, 19, a common laborer born in Sweden; and Emil Fogelquist, 14, born in Minnesota.

The 1900 census said that she had 13 children, 7 of whom were living. We can identify only 6 still living at that time so either the 7 is simply incorrect or there is another child alive in 1900 that we don’t know about.

From Carl Johan’s sources, Emelie’s maternal haplogroup may be J1b3a.

Died:
date and location from the First Covenant Church records

Buried:
reburial by Ida Deiters, was originally buried in Superior

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Vallackaren O Korgmakaren

Notes:

May not be the father of all of (or any of) Anna Andersdotter’s children.

Birth:
torpet Osbylid under Hå lillegård

Carl married Anna ANDERSDOTTER on 26 Dec 1847 in Ryssby, Kronobergs län, Sweden. Anna (daughter of Anders ANDERSSON and Stina PERSDOTTER) was born on 10 Mar 1814 in Annerstad, Kronobergs län, Sweden. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

The Household Examination for Annerstad 1844-1851, p. 282 (”135/147, vol. 2”) shows Anna Andersdotter, pige (so unmarried), b. 10 Mar 1814, living with her two illegitimate children: Martha Christina, b. 1 April 1843, and Salomon, b. 16 Sept 1839. Magdalena (#7261) should also have been listed but wasn’t.

She is listed with her illegitimate daughter Magdalena Carlsdotter and Magdalena’s three illlegitimate children in the Socknens slut of the Annerstad 1866-1872 Household Examination (p. 348).

In the 1872-1876 Household Examination for Annerstad, she is listed on p.35. She is shown as leaving Annerstad in October of 1876.

Still alive in 1884.

Notes:

Married:
according to the Clark Family Tree on Ancestry

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: “Rag man”, coppersmith

Notes:

According to Carl Johan, Johan was called Johan i Ryd because of where he lived (Rydöbruk). Carl Johan also says that he was Johan Martin in his birth record.

Carl Johan and Jan have found information suggesting that Karl Olaf Wigren, a sailor, may have been the biological father of Johan Mårten. In the birth records for Johan Mårten, he is shown as the illegitimate son of Elin Strömgren, no father listed. However, in the household examination for the fortress of Varberg and Karlsborg, Anders is stated as Johan’s father.

From Diana’s research:

Before he went to Torup, Halland, Johan was a millitary man in Karlsborg with the number 25. There he called himself Johan Mårten Persson Lundberg. Before he moved to Karlsborg he lived in Mariestad. He moved from Mariestad to Karlsborg in 1835. He and Maria Elisabet Lind married 12 Jan 1840 in Karlsborg. Maria Elisabet moved from Undernäs to Karlsborg in 1839.

Johan is referred to as Arb. No. 25 M. Persson in the record for his marriage.

He and Maja and his first son are listed in a clerical survey in Karlsborg. By the 1840s the family is in Rydö.

The census image for Johan in the late 1860s and very early 1870s seems to say April 1st. The May 3rd birth date is confirmed in another census or church record that Jan has received from a contact in Sweden.

At the time of a census in the late 1860s and very early 1870s, the family consisted of the parents plus Johan Alfred, Carl Oscar, Carl Gustaf, Johan August, Leander, and Vilhelm (Wilhelm) born in 1864.

Rydö is a place in Torup in Halland. There is or was a paper mill there too. Johan Lundberg worked as a rag-man and sold rag to the paper mill.

From Roger’s research:

Johan! Lundberg, född 1817-05-03, död 1872-04-22 i Torup N.
Lumpsamlare i Rydö Pappersbruk 1842-1856, Torup N. (hfl)..
Kom 1842 ifrån Barnarp F.
Ej född i Jönköpng Kristina F eller Jönköping Sofia F 1817.
Adress Barnarp F (Ej på socknen P.219-221 1840-1845, men har ej
kollat hela hfl, ingen flyttbok) ?-1842,
Torup N Rydö Pappersbruk Lumpsamlare 1842-1856,
Torup N Härhult 1856-1860, Torup N Gohult 1860-1861,
Torup N Övregårds ägor 1861-1872.

Gift med
Maria Elisabet Lind, född 1816-11-07 i Östra Grängshyttan Pilabo,
Hjulsjö T, död 1887-07-16 i Torup N. Bosatt i Rydö Pappersbruk 1842-1856,
Torup N. (f,hfl).
Döpt samma dag, Äkta dottern kallad Maja Lisa i födelsebok,
Föräldrar Glashandlare Christoffer Lind o. h. Eva Sofia Vennerberg
i Grängshyttan. Adress Hova R ?-1838, Undenäs R 1838-?

Barn:
Johan Vilhelm Lundberg, född 1839-08-14 i Berget, Hova R. (f).
+ Karl Johan Lundberg, född 1841-11-11, död 1843-05-03 i Varberg N.
(hfl).
Emelie Vilhelmina Lundberg, född 1843-10-20 i Rydö, Torup N.
(f,hfl). E1881.. Amerika 188100516-? (?0510).
Adress Torup N ?-18670520,
Annerstad sn Socknens Slut P.359 piga 18670520-1867,
Annerstad sn Annerstad Hulugård 1867-?,
Kånna sn Berghem Andersgård ägare 18731107-1879,
Kånna sn Berghem Västregård lägenheten Grönlund ägare änkan
1879-18810516, Amerika 18810516-?
Johan! Alfred Lundberg, född 1845-11-14 i Rydö, Torup N, död 1890-02-14
i Drängsered N. Järnhandlare Bleckslagare. (f,d).
Karl Oskar Lundberg, född 1847-12-02 i Rydö, Torup N.
Kopparslagare Bleckslagare i Kobbol 1894, Torup N. (f,hfl).
Adress Torup N ?-18701024,
Annerstad sn Annerstad Hulugård torpet Berget
kopparslageriarbetare 18701024-18711105,
Kånna sn Berghem Bergsgård torpet kopparslageriarbetare
18711107-18730107,
Kånna sn Knänjarp Södregård torpet Berget kopparslageriarbetare
18730107-1876,
Kånna sn Knänjarp Södregård inhyses kopparslagare under Bengt
Peterssons 1877-18821116,
Kånna sn På Socknen P.183 18821116-18830611,
Torup N 18830611-18831224,
Kånna sn På Socknen P.184 kopparslageriarbetare 18831224-18850331,
Torup N 18850331-?, Torup N Kobbol 1894.
Karl Gustaf Lundberg, född 1850-02-12 i Rydö, Torup N. (f,hfl). E1881..
Amerika 18810919-?.
Adress Torup sn ?-18731202,
Kånna sn Kvänjarp Södregård torpet Berget Dräng 18731202-18741002,
Kånna sn Berghem Andersgård torpet Björkelund dräng
18741002-18771029,
Kånna sn Berghem Södregård torpet Berget 18771029-18810919,
Amerika 18810919-?
Johan August Lundberg, född 1852-06-08 i Rydö, Torup N. Hemmansägare
i Sandshult, Torup N. Långaryd N 1882-?. (f).
Vilhelm! Lundberg, född 1854-09-10 i Torup N. Bleckslagare
i Kobbol P.10 fb 1910-1930, Torup N. (hfl,ej i fb).
Adress Torup N Övregård bleckslageriarbetare 1886.
+ Maria Matilda Lundberg, född 1858-04-14 i Härhult, Torup N,
död 1861-11-20 i Torup N. (f,hfl).
Leander! Lundberg, född 1863-02-27 i Torup N, död 1893-03-18 i Kobbol,
Torup N. Bleckslagare i Kobbol 1883-1893, Torup N. (f,hfl).

The family was not listed in Öfregård in the Torup 1861-1866 Household Examination. They were, however, listed at the end of the Household Examination in a place called Öfregårds Nybygge for the years 1861-1866.

Birth:
in Löderups parish, Skåne (near Ystad), according to Carl Johan … May 4th according to WikiTree

Johan married Maja Lisa LIND on 2 Feb 1840 in Karlsborg, Skaraborgs län, Sweden. Maja (daughter of Christofer ANNASSON LIND and Eva Sophia WENNERBERG) was born on 7 Nov 1816 in Grängshyttan Pilabo, Hjulsjö, Örebro län, Sweden; was christened on 7 Nov 1816 in Hjulsjö, Örebro län, Sweden; died on 16 Jul 1887 in Torup N Bosatt i Rydö Pappersbruk, Hallands län, Sweden. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Baptism: 7 Nov 1816, Hjulsjö, Örebro län, Sweden

Notes:

Birth location also shown as Östra Grängshyttan Pilabo Hjulsjö Sweden. Born as Maja Lisa. Also known as Maria Elisabet.

Her birthdate in the Torup Household Examination for Öfregards Nybygge 1861-1866 is 5 May 1817.

Birth:
WikiTree says 1815

Notes:

Married:
banns January 12th

Notes:

He and his family lived “på torpet Osbylid under Hå, Hamneda.”

Nils married Märta SIMONSDOTTER. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

The family is in the Annerstad Household Examination 1818-1824, A17, p. 47.

Anders married Stina PERSDOTTER. Stina was born on 18 Nov 1780. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Lumpsamlaren Och Artilleristen

Notes:

He was in the military in Karlsborg and had the number 39. The family moved from Varberg, Halland, to the Karlsborg garrison in 1831.

Carl Johan says that Anders Lundberg was an artillery man at Varberg and Karlsborg between the years of 1824 and 1832. Carl Johan also believes that Anders Lundberg was convicted of theft at least three times in Skåne in the years before 1824.

Carl Johan believes that Fredrik Lundberg, b. 1741 in Skåne, d. 1789-1792, may be the father of Anders and Anna Sophia Mentzner, b. ca 1740-1752, d. 1800, may be the mother of Anders. Alternatively, and perhaps more likely in Carl Johan’s opinion, is that Frederick Lundberg was Anders’s grandfather and that Anders’s father was Frederick’s son Petter, b. ca 1773 in Gothenburg, who would have fathered Anders at age 16.

By Carl Johan’s research, Frederick joined the military in 1776 at Malmö and was dismissed in 1789. Peter Lundberg served in the military from 1796 to May of 1798 when he was convicted of forgery.

Frederick also had a daughter, b. ca 1768 in Gothenburg, who died in 1778.

Petter Lundberg had a daughter named Anna Catharina with Sara Wennergren in 1796. Later, Sara had a daughter with Samuel Gustav Blom who was born in Abild parish, Halland county, on 23 Aug 1800. Anna Catharina Blom, having taken her step-father’s surname, had children with a man named Lindqvist, naming them with the combined surname Blomqvist. Quite interestingly, three of Johan Lundberg’s six sons married or had children with women with surnames Lindqvist or Blomqvist.

Anders also had a son name Johan Petter.

Carl Johan also found an old newspaper from January of 1798 which describes that the priest who had been asked to marry Petter Lundberg and Sara Wennergren demanded proof that Petter was not already married to another woman. Perhaps he had made up his own paperwork evidence to show that he was not married to another woman! Nevertheless, Sara Wennergren had a child with Blom two years later.

From all of his research, Carl Johan offers the following best guess, reasoning that we must be related to these people as they were the only Traveller Lundbergs in Sweden at that time:

Petter Lundberg. Soldier 1796-98 at Landskrona garnison. Born 1772 in Gothenburg. Engaged with Sara Wennergren 1796-98. Convicted for forgery in 1798 and dismissed from the Army.
Children: (here’s where the best guess comes in) son Anders born 1789 in Skåne, mother unknown. Daughter Anna Catharina born 1796 in Skåne, mother Sara Wennergren.

Fredrik Lundberg. Soldier from 1776 to around 1790 at Malmö garrison and wanderer (Swedish vandringsman). Born 1741 in Skåne, died around 1792 (perhaps in the war against Russia in 1790). Married with unknown women before 1782, married to Anna Sofia Mentzer (b. 1760-1752, d. 1800) after 1782.

Children: daughter Maria Helena born around 1767 in Gothenburg, died 1778 in Kronoberg. Son Petter born 1772 in Gothenburg. Daughter Sara Christina born 1782 in Skåne (mother Mentzer). Daughter Albertina born 1784. Daughter Fredrika born 1788, death 1789.

Further elaboration on Anders by Carl Johan:

“Anders Lundberg lived a short life: 42 years old when he died. He began his career as a farm hand and later at the age of 18 he went on to become a soldier, hussar, at Skånes Husarregemente. In all, Anders was a hussar, naval gunner, artillerist, vagabond and ragman at Klippan's paper mill. In 1811, 200 years ago, he was dismissed from the Army and began wandering the roads as a vagabond. It is clear that he came in contact with Travellers and befriendend them. He adopted a Traveller lifestyle that resembles that of other "real" Travellers of that time (e.g., working as naval gunner, ragman, coppersmith, etc.). He may have been seen as a Traveller by other Travellers. However, the only "real" Gypsy blood in his descendants comes in when his son Johan marries Maja Lisa Lind and when their children marry into other Traveller families. It can also be noted that Anders at 3 times was convicted for thievery and in 1821 he was sentenced to 10 days of water and bread.”

Also from Carl Johan: “In 1812 Anders was convicted for theft and got 40 lashes. Later a second time for theft with 40 lashes again and a third time for theft on water and bread.”

Birth:
Carl Johan’s research. Lyngby parish, Malmöhus län, Skåne.

Andreas married Elin STRÖMGREN. Elin (daughter of Johannes STRÖMGREN and Lena Pettersdotter) was born on 18 Feb 1787 in Kronobergs län, Småland, Sweden. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Not tattare. (And, apparently, neither was Anders.)

Carl Johan and Jan have found information suggesting that Karl Olaf Wigren, a sailor, may have been the biological father of Johan Mårten. In the birth records for Johan Mårten, he is shown as the illegitimate son of Elin Strömgren, no father listed. However, in the household examination for the fortress of Varberg and Karlsborg, Anders is stated as Johan’s father.

Carl Johan comments: “At a unknown date, Anders’s first wife Kersti dies or get divorce and he marries Elin Strömgren at an unknown date. Since Anders in the 1810ths was a naval gunner in Karlskrona, and that fact that Elin travelled in the same area as Anders, I suspect he was cheating on Kersti with Elin. In order to get a passport to Skåne, Elin told the authorities that she was to visit her uncle Henrik Bengtsson in Trelleborg. The problem is that she had no uncle Henrik so she obviously lied.”

Birth:
Östra Torsås socken

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Glass And Iron Merchant

Notes:

Other sources have his birth on 15 Mar 1788 in Eskilstuna, Södermanland.

He was employed in glass manufacturing and lived in several places.

Died between 1821 and 1823.

He married his cousin’s daughter.

Jan Johannson calls him Christofer Olofsson (Lind).

Died:
Jan Johansson says between 1821 and 1823.

Christofer married Eva Sophia WENNERBERG on 27 Dec 1811 in Järlåsa, Uppsala län, Sweden. Eva (daughter of Lars WENNERBERG and Hedvig LUNDSTRÖM) was born on 6 Jun 1795 in Norrtälje, Upplands län, Sweden; died on 17 Jan 1842 in Hova, Västergötland, Skaraborgs län, Sweden. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Baptism: 7 Jun 1795, Norrtälje, Upplands län, Sweden
• Confirmation: 7 Jun 1811

Notes:

Regarding her first marriage:

Marriage records reveals he was a widower, had papers verifying his good standing in the Lutheran church, was of good character, had previously labored as a glass merchant in a metal plant (manufacturer). He was from Eskilstuna.

Eva had this summer been taught her religion. She partook of the sacrament on 7 June 1811. Her father, L. Wennerberg, was a glassware merchant. Her mother was Hedvig Lundstrom. She was from Gyntersbach hem[m]an in this parish. The Banns were read. (Translated by Enka Haslam.)

Birth:
“probably in Eskilstuna, Södermanland”

Baptism:
WikiTree says Norrtälje is in or near Stockholm

Notes:

Married:
or Västerås, Västmanland, Sweden, the location in Swedish Marriages 1630-1920